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Fetalit

Registered: 06/15/08
Posts: 193
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Everybody knows the relationship between shaebia and weyane, and everybody knows the comradeship between Meles and isayas. To hear the statement made by the dictator in Asmara is amazing. I think it is childish and probably some sort of abnormality.

Badme

Registered: 05/24/09
Posts: 572
Reply with quote  #2 
Fetalit wedi mai Telamit,

The "Dictator" is your boss and leave him alone. Why do you care what ever he said. It doesn't concern you. Does it?

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Fetalit

Registered: 06/15/08
Posts: 193
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It does concern me a lot because in theory he is the guy supposed to be leading my people and my underdeveloping country. His childish behaviour worries me a lot, because we all know that Meles was visiting Eritrea every now and then after independence, and he used to meet the diactator. We have seen pictures and videos of both of them laughing and chatting amicably when they were friends. To say "I do not know him" is simply unacceptable.

roota

Registered: 05/10/09
Posts: 426
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Haha, the woyanes are liars. Experts on lying like Fetalit.
Dahlak

Registered: 10/27/04
Posts: 168
Reply with quote  #5 
Fetalit, it is amazing you saw picture of Isayas and Meles. Wow.
Did you think Isayas said that he did not know Meles after liberation. Please don't twist things. Please listen the interview carefully and then put your comment. He said back then in Gedli did not communicate with any those in power now. He used to communicate or know other commerades from weyane except those in power.
 
Halaka

Registered: 08/07/08
Posts: 591
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Fetalit may have a point here, El-Presidente cannot deny the close relationship he enjoyed with Crime Minister Meles Zenawi. Let's not deny that just because El-Presidente was upset and wanted to distance himself from the man he was happy to be playing table billiards. Meles used to try and miss the holes and both use to laughter with El-Presidente trying to correct his friend (Meles). It would be self serving to deny that close relationship between the two autocrats.

Gezae

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 3,510
Reply with quote  #7 

Isayas did not say I don't know Meles. Even he did not mention his name as a person. He said that most of those leaders who came to Menelic palace are not from what I have worked with during the struggle. He is also right Isayas worked most of his time with Aboy Sibhat, Gidey Zeratsion, Berihu because those were TPLF leaders at that time . Meles came as Chair man 1989 after TPLF expelled Gidey and Berihu .

Any how Meles has a stupidity behavior. His stupidity is usually associated with his offensive, abusive, or insulting language. I am not calling Meles stupid to cause him pain, but there would have been reason corresponding to his abusive or disrespectful language. Most of the time Meles uses such non sensible, illogical, or, more diplomatically, instinctive or emotional words. Every Woyane member knows Meles for his childish and stupidity. Meles needs to thank for Aboy Sibhat Nega for his help as older brother and adviser.

Without Aboy Sibhat and other Woyane members Meles was/is stupid. In every Woyane meeting he directly or indirectly insults his comrades. I remember in the early 80th he insulted his central committee member "QORCHACH" QORCHACH ATEHASASIBAKA" just inside the meeting. He does not have discipline. Even in Ethiopian parliament he directly insult the Amhara and Oromo people representative by saying " YE AHIA ASTESASEB" Therefore it is not new for us as Eritrean to hear such a stupid word from Meles.
In his interview he said we don't care if Eritrean even bring Monkey. This is his second time to the Eritrean people to insult us.

However, we Eritrean people are very proud of our eye color and our Africa-Arabic descendant facial appearance. I know Meles's target who is going to insult for. Nontheless the case is "WOYO NATAS NIHAMATA" . But, the odd thing is that he is so often "Wrong" that is, he is stupid according to his own standards of judgment. Often, he is wrong because he really cannot perceive what is right or wrong when he actively and emotionally involved in a situation. The cause of this perceptual difficulty obviously is that he has schema's which guide the misapplication of misinformation by misconstruing his behavioral context.

More to the point, The real problem with Meles is that he considered his actions conscionable. However, his stupidity, is a more pernicious beast. He needs to break his old habits, accept responsibility for his behavior, and understand the concepts of logic and sound reasoning to to eradicate it .


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wediaffa

Registered: 05/07/09
Posts: 76
Reply with quote  #8 
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Any how Meles has a stupidity behavior. His stupidity is usually associated with his offensive, abusive, or insulting language. I am not calling Meles stupid to cause him pain, but there would have been reason corresponding to his abusive or disrespectful language. Most of the time Meles uses such non sensible, illogical, or, more diplomatically, instinctive or emotional words. Every Woyane member knows Meles for his childish and stupidity. Meles needs to thank for Aboy Sibhat Nega for his help as older brother and adviser.

hahaha , Geeeze or gazzella ..
If you could switch meles by issias adjust few ...very few words. ..for example...u said diplomatically ..to not dipolomatical ...You got everything right...
I mean where you thinking about issias when you wrote those adjuectives lol..I know nobody come up with those adjuctive on his own with out thinking somebody else..
The rest is halewlew...from old folks
Gezae

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 3,510
Reply with quote  #9 
Hi Wediaffa
you wrote "If you could switch meles by issias adjust few ...very few words. ..for example...u said diplomatically ..to not diplomatically ...You got everything right..." Brother:

When person has a sufficient supply of knowledge, yet persist in doing things that are irrational or even dangerous that are often contrary to his own people interests the consequences of his actions is not genuine. The people who carried out the 9/11 attacks could be seen as an extreme example of stupidity. Killing innocent people in this manner has arguably done much harm to the reputation of their professed Islamic faith, and it has further perpetuated the cycles of war and violence in the Middle East. Leave the Eritrean case aside. The same Meles, killing innocent Somalis and Benshangulise has arguably done much harm to the relation of Tigray people, and it has further perpetuated cycles of war and violence in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa as a whole. Is that Melese diplomacy you want to compare and contrast with Isayas.

For me that is prejudice because, unsuccessful behavior obviously likely to result from any error in the problem solving process. More important, lack of success might be due to the fact that he involved is not even seeking a solution to the given problem. If he does indeed perceive a problem as such, he might simply makes an emotional response which is directed more toward relieving tension than finding a long-term solution to the situation confronting him. Hence, I think these are some of Meles's irrational acts in solving problems
diplomatically. Thus Meles diplomacy strategies are not different from the previous Ethiopian regimes diplomacy. Serving as client state [puppet]. Annexing or invading neighboring states; but even worse than the peviouse regimes diplomatic strategy that escalated to "genocide"

However, I heard some innocent and sellout Eritreans admiring Meles as a diplomatic leader. A diplomatic leader leader for what? For handout. I don't know if they considered the runs here and there of Meles for handouts as  diplomacy. Nevertheless, when it comes to foreign handout diplomacy, we must remember that without a human face, human sweat and human building up capacity projects of self reliance, free money can become an obstacle. Of course, money is the essential starting ingredient, but without a human heart behind development, the original sacrifice is lost. And the original intention – generating goodwill toward the nation development is lost with it too.

 
Stand for self reliance


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wediaffa

Registered: 05/07/09
Posts: 76
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When person has a sufficient supply of knowledge, yet persist in doing things that are irrational or even dangerous that are often contrary to his own people interests the consequences of his actions is not genuine. The people who carried out the 9/11 attacks could be seen as an extreme example of stupidity. Killing innocent people in this manner has arguably done much harm to the reputation of their professed Islamic faith, and it has further perpetuated the cycles of war and violence in the Middle East. Leave the Eritrean case aside. The same Meles, killing innocent Somalis and Benshangulise has arguably done much harm to the relation of Tigray people, and it has further perpetuated cycles of war and violence in Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa as a whole. Is that Melese diplomacy you want to compare and contrast with Isayas.


Sounds good and logical right ..I admit ..What you said here above is logical ..
But, Did you criticize GOe for offering assistance to US to invade IRAQ ?I dont want to bring issais picture with rumsfield ...Quote him what he said about terrorism ...
I know some people have short memory ...They don't remember what they used to say fews years ago..and now use the same lines against others...
Be consistent in your argumentations..

QORAY

Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 179
Reply with quote  #11 

Why are you surprised by what isayas said about Meles? When asked "Do you know where Dawit Isac is jailed?", he said i know nothing about him. Don't expect logical and honest answer from a dictator who has lost his human soul. The man is not normal.

Badme

Registered: 05/24/09
Posts: 572
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Originally Posted by QORAY
Why are you surprised by what isayas said about Meles? When asked "Do you know where Dawit Isac is jailed?", he said i know nothing about him. Don't expect logical and honest answer from a dictator who has lost his human soul. The man is not normal.


True he probably doesn't know the guy. Why should he? You see Qoray Hangol, the problem with you pretenders is that you give too much value to yourselves when none of us gives a shiiit about who you lost souls are or what you do. We simply DO NOT CARE! Do you get that ruba Hatela? 

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QORAY

Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 179
Reply with quote  #13 

He knows Dawit Isac in person, because he was taken to see the dictator so that he can intimidate him. But Dawit was not intimidated and carried on to do the good work for the people of Eritrea. He was publishing in his paper the reality of Eritrean life and the corrupted culture and attitude of the dictator and his followers. The dictator is dishonest and abnormal.

Badme

Registered: 05/24/09
Posts: 572
Reply with quote  #14 

So now, you naively believe that wedi Afom would be intimidated by a useless person who apparently was the victim of his handlers? Shukren for the laughter ya Qoray zahlay mahlay.


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Negash

Registered: 08/25/08
Posts: 180
Reply with quote  #15 

Why are you talking about the journalist in this thread. This thread is about the relationship between Meles and isayas. isayas is not acknowleding his friendship with Meles because he does not want to know him anymore but that does not mean that he did not know him, that is where isayas is losing his locks.

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